Please REVERT the low pop loot nerf!

[[email protected] 0]

I will just wait atm. Game is EA and it needs time and work.

 I do agree that whit that ratio no one is going to rent a private server. 

[Dizzy 6]

6 minutes ago, [email protected] said:

I will just wait atm. Game is EA and it needs time and work.

 I do agree that whit that ratio no one is going to rent a private server. 

I think its too early just yet to do private server, it'll just divide the population and people will be hard farming spots for Snipers mostly.

[Dropbombs 6]

Revert the nerf. The only reason to go on low pops is to farm. Who cares if you fill your gi, you just have to level then and pvp. Don't add privates, because the game already has a low enough population without people hiding away on passworded servers. If you want to farm low pop should be a viable option. No reason the loot should be different in my opinion.

[Kayyhaus 4]

1 hour ago, Dropbombs said:

Revert the nerf. The only reason to go on low pops is to farm. Who cares if you fill your gi, you just have to level then and pvp. Don't add privates, because the game already has a low enough population without people hiding away on passworded servers. If you want to farm low pop should be a viable option. No reason the loot should be different in my opinion.

Don't quote me on this, but I believe Yoshi mentioned that users who lock their servers will be forced to use a separate GI.

[xDarrick 0]

12 minutes ago, Kayyhaus said:

Don't quote me on this, but I believe Yoshi mentioned that users who lock their servers will be forced to use a separate GI.

i would not pay any cent if i am forced to let others on my server, ffs what do i pay for

[HaeL 6]

7 hours ago, xDarrick said:

i would not pay any cent if i am forced to let others on my server, ffs what do i pay for

He said nothing about being "Forced" to let others on your server. But IF you Lock the server, your GI will be separate from the servers that DO let others play on it. 

[HaeL 6]

I'll say this again though. 

Looting in low POP servers is against the spirit of the game. There is a risk and a reward. If people can just farm and stack up their global inventory then there is no point for gun rarity and there is no point for leveling up with the risk of losing experience to your next level. If people also stack up their global inventory then there is no economy. 

The best way to fix this is to have events and missions you do in the server. So no matter what population there is, you will still have to risk something in order to get loot. Because joining a low pop server, getting rich and loot, and then PVPing Is a viable strat, HOWEVER, Its an exact counter to how the game is supposed to be played. Because if you have to go through a tedious process of looting away from people in a multiplayer game to get items to fight with them. Then you can just cut out the middle man and give people guns to kill without the looting aspect. 

I hope this makes sense. 

[Johounes 0]

I dont even understand OPs point..
what is the problem whit looting on Highpop? I thought you like PvP? Just loot on Highpop - you can loot fast AND have lots of PVP to defend your loot 😉

as many before already said, this would destroy the game..  benefitting players that intentionally choosing lowpop server for less risk to lose some loot. you have to be more carefull with looting on highpop and that is fun! I'm not looking for another random third person PVP shooter. 
It is a survival game and not "10min then Yolo PVP" - that is pretty boring.. the loot and game loses its value. there is already a lot of yolo pvp going because people aren't afraid to lose gear from the early days. and now people like you are afraid because they need to actually play the game to make progress., and they actually need to risk progress by playing on an Highpop server. 


But- I would enjoy Solo Servers! because yes- looting can be difficult if your squad is not ready and you have to play solo against many many Teams.. 
so 1-2 Solo-Only servers would be nice - But even there I would nerf the loot a little bit.

High risks should be High rewards and not the other way. 

 

 
 

 

 

[AirborneLawnDart 12]

12 hours ago, Kayyhaus said:

Don't quote me on this, but I believe Yoshi mentioned that users who lock their servers will be forced to use a separate GI.

This is false.  Here's the direct quote from Joshua

The idea of private servers:

• Default configured servers can have official global inventory access (So when no config is changed, except maybe a password)
• Once any config is changed (e.g night/day) the server becomes dis-associated with the official servers so items and other data does not transfer between customized private servers and official servers

[HaeL 6]

This still doesn't disprove that locked servers will have GI turned off. Locked servers could fit under the "config" change servers he is talking about. It says right there "maybe" a password. But it will probably turn off GI if you password it because it will be away to get away from the low pop looters. Instead you just have a full server of PvE ONLY looters who are benefiting from the high pop loot and not engaging in pvp on purpose. 

[AirborneLawnDart 12]

21 minutes ago, HaeL said:

This still doesn't disprove that locked servers will have GI turned off. Locked servers could fit under the "config" change servers he is talking about. It says right there "maybe" a password. But it will probably turn off GI if you password it because it will be away to get away from the low pop looters. Instead you just have a full server of PvE ONLY looters who are benefiting from the high pop loot and not engaging in pvp on purpose. 

Read again, read closely (this is directly from Joshua, lead dev):

The idea of private servers:

• Default configured servers can have official global inventory access (So when no config is changed, except maybe a password)

 

If private servers don't tie to Global Inventory OR if they have crappy loot, people will NOT rent them.  Why have a crappy loot private server?  So you can walk around and do nothing in it?

Sure, can they change their mind later?  Yes.  Would it make financial sense for them to do it?  Absolutely not.

Edited June 4, 2019 by AirborneLawnDart

[HaeL 6]

20 minutes ago, AirborneLawnDart said:

Read again, read closely (this is directly from Joshua, lead dev):

The idea of private servers:

• Default configured servers can have official global inventory access (So when no config is changed, except maybe a password)

 

If private servers don't tie to Global Inventory OR if they have crappy loot, people will NOT rent them.  Why have a crappy loot private server?  So you can walk around and do nothing in it?

Sure, can they change their mind later?  Yes.  Would it make financial sense for them to do it?  Absolutely not.

 

I did read close, thats why I said it doesn't disprove it. So when no config is changed, except MAYBE a password

He said "Maybe" here

You can tell he is on the fence about that part of the idea. I've also asked in a different topic and I asked what are the limits or what constitutes as "changing config" and IcedYoshi said when they come out, they will let everyone know what they deem as a "custom" server. Passworded ones included. 

 

Private servers that change the config will obviously be servers that change the variables of the already pre-existing game to increase fun. NOT find a way to get loot faster. If you want the real PvPvE MMO game that you paid for, then you join the Official servers, its really that simple. 

Custom servers will be for like ALL supply drops are snipers only 

or x5 Robots. 

They're not meant for you to have your own looting outlet. Thats just a plain exploit and will empty out the official servers. 

Edited June 4, 2019 by HaeL

[AirborneLawnDart 12]

6 minutes ago, HaeL said:

They're not meant for you to have your own looting outlet. Thats just a plain exploit and will empty out the official servers. 

So things you don't like are an exploit?  You're the final arbiter on what "should" and "should not" be implemented?  Glad you're not in charge of development.......lol

I can't wait until they offer nerfed loot private servers that don't attach to global inventory.  VERY few people will get one.  We won't.  We DID rent one the entire time we played WarZ because the loot was good and it was tied to global.

That means less money for development.  Less money for features you MIGHT want.

We're willing to spend money on the game, but not for garbage private servers.

[HaeL 6]

3 minutes ago, AirborneLawnDart said:

So things you don't like are an exploit?  You're the final arbiter on what "should" and "should not" be implemented?  Glad you're not in charge of development.......lol

I can't wait until they offer nerfed loot private servers that don't attach to global inventory.  VERY few people will get one.  We won't.  We DID rent one the entire time we played WarZ because the loot was good and it was tied to global.

That means less money for development.  Less money for features you MIGHT want.

We're willing to spend money on the game, but not for garbage private servers.

I think you are failing to understand what this game IS, you seem to have some identity crisis with what you want the game to be. Your idea of loot is of a game that DOESN'T have a global inventory. 

Games like Miscreated, Dayz, Or Rust. They don't have a Global Inventory. The inventory is on the server you join. You build a base, you put items in a crate. There is still a risk involved that you can lose them and they NEVER leave the server you're playing on. When you add a global inventory, you are taking it OFF the server away from player interaction where it is safe and no one can touch it but you. 

I can't wait until they offer nerfed loot private servers that don't attach to global inventory

^^^ They will be attachted to Global. IF and only IF, you leave the state of the game where its not a benefit to you and only you. 

[AirborneLawnDart 12]

2 hours ago, HaeL said:

I think you are failing to understand what this game IS

I know exactly what this is.  A much much much better version of WarZ, using the Unreal Engine.  Almost ALL of the features in this game were part of WarZ, Aftermath, or Shattered Skies.

WarZ had plenty of loot and a Global Inventory.  WarZ had private servers that were password protected, connected to the Global Inventory, and did NOT have nerfed loot.

Did you ever play WarZ?  It sure seems like you have no clue what WarZ was.

Yes, games are allowed to have things you don't like in them.  Nobody will pay for private servers with nerfed loot or that aren't able to be password protected.

[Johounes 0]

you mean that dead game? 
Because top tier loot became worthless? everybody had hundred VSS in GI and the game was dying.  Why aren't you playing WarZ then? 

Xera is doing everything right what WarZ did wrong and it should stay like that. 
and we don't need a WarZ Clone.

 

Edited June 5, 2019 by Johounes

[HaeL 6]

Thats exactly what I'm trying to say. Shattered skies and Warz/New Z are irrelevant now. They had a run and are no longer games or fairly dead. Why? Probably because the game mechanics was decent but did not stand the test of time with good decisions. It doesn't make sense to make this game repeat something verbatim and piece by piece just to see it have the same fate in the end. 

[AirborneLawnDart 12]

1 hour ago, HaeL said:

Thats exactly what I'm trying to say. Shattered skies and Warz/New Z are irrelevant now. They had a run and are no longer games or fairly dead. Why? Probably because the game mechanics was decent but did not stand the test of time with good decisions. It doesn't make sense to make this game repeat something verbatim and piece by piece just to see it have the same fate in the end. 

That just shows you don't know anything about what you're saying.  You didn't even play WarZ.

They're dead because they were made by a scummy developer named Titov who specifically made games to do quick cash grabs, pay to win item stores, and let cheaters run wild while they sold cheap copies of the game.  The game itself was VERY fun.  The developers other decisions are what ruined it.

If Titov wasn't involved I'd STILL be playing WarZ.  It was fun specifically because there was lots of PVP and low loot grind.

[Kayyhaus 4]

2 minutes ago, AirborneLawnDart said:

That just shows you don't know anything about what you're saying.  You didn't even play WarZ.

They're dead because they were made by a scummy developer named Titov who specifically made games to do quick cash grabs, pay to win item stores, and let cheaters run wild while they sold cheap copies of the game.  The game itself was VERY fun.  The developers other decisions are what ruined it.

If Titov wasn't involved I'd STILL be playing WarZ.  It was fun specifically because there was lots of PVP and low loot grind.

The game you are describing is NewZ. Same WarZ game with lots of loot.

[Kayyhaus 4]

Trust me, Air, I'm not trying to be a prick, but the game you're describing is exactly what NewZ was created for...players who love WarZ and didnt want to grind. That, and the anti-cheat is top notch.

That game has a solid playerbase, Xera will too. No need to blend the two games' playstyles together. 

[AirborneLawnDart 12]

1 minute ago, Kayyhaus said:

Trust me, Air, I'm not trying to be a prick, but the game you're describing is exactly what NewZ was created for...players who love WarZ and didnt want to grind. That, and the anti-cheat is top notch.

That game has a solid playerbase, Xera will too. No need to blend the two games' playstyles together. 

How exactly does low pop servers having good loot hurt you?

Should you be the one to determine what others get or don't get?

[BloodDrum 0]

The loot scaling is a complete necessity, I have trouble figuring out what items to get rid of half the time, I PvP with a duo or trio sometimes and how easy it is to be overburdened with loot is ridiculous. Yes, I have a lot of free time and farmed a lot when I started, but now I can't be bothered, its silly, I run into groups of 2-6 fully geared players just like me. We all have all the loot and just run at each other and PvP.

To be honest, the problem might be how you are looting, I don't know about anyone else, but going to airport or the military base on a 4 pop you fill up a large backpack after like 15minutes with ar-15s. Armor might be a little rare, but NVG helms are way too common, and if you just actually looted keys/opened boxes you get plenty of meds from redsville, you could even server hop low pops and loot it.

My problem is the super common loot is extremely decent(like ar-15/mp5/NVGhelm), and the rare loot (heavy armor/30%helmets/milipack/ak) are clearly better but rare enough that some people don't have multiple. And I am losing the instant gratification of popping a pinata and getting a second set of gear, and I know other people are too. When the game is popping with 20-35 in 10 different servers at prime time, you will find a group of people on the roof camping, if you kill them, they have multiple kits from previous fights, still PvPing with full inventory, probably because they don't care or have so much in G.I. that it won't even fit.

Sadly, since people who have more time on their hands, started before you, or found that one efficient trick before the loot scaling was put in, they are in fact ahead of the curve and the only realistic fix would be time(waiting it out), or wiping(which people hate for silly reasons). After all this PvPing every day loot will despawn, it'll even out eventually, hopefully the game doesn't die for no good reason.

The good ol' days of WarZ were when you got into PvP fights WHILE you were looting, not 1 hour of looting then 1 hour of PvPing. Some people will disagree with me probably, but I enjoy the adrenaline rush of risking 15-30minutes of farming on a fun fight, or killing two grabbing their shit and praying this robot/player doesn't kill me while I log with it! None of that in Xera: Survival. Don't get me wrong, it is super fun, but that's my take on the looting part of a 'loot and shoot survival' game.

Edited June 5, 2019 by BloodDrum

[AirborneLawnDart 12]

The problem with low loot is it favors the people who have infinite time to farm.

Try PVPing on a regular basis if you only have 1-2 hours a day to play.

You will eventually be PVPing against fully geared no life groups that have all the good PVP weapons while you struggle to get an AR with 50 rounds.

I'm for an EQUAL playing field between 1-2 hour a day players and no lifers.  Both have good loot, both can compete.

 

Right now low pop servers have TWENTY FIVE percent of the loot that high pop servers have, that's plain ridiculous.

We will not be renting a server.  No point.

Edited June 5, 2019 by AirborneLawnDart

[pintoneous 0]

On 6/3/2019 at 4:53 PM, AirborneLawnDart said:

We didn't give a hoot about the base building.  Minecraft has better base building.  Your bases in Epoch were limited to walls, doors, and safes.

We played it for 2 years because the PVP was fun.  It didn't take forever to grind, then go get a "small taste" of PVP.  It was "loot a little" then "go have fun PVPing".

It was the same in WarZ..........the loot to PVP ratio was about 1 to 1.  One hour of looting, one hour of PVP.

If you spent half the time looting that you spend on these forums complaining you would have the best inventory in the game.

[AirborneLawnDart 12]

Just now, pintoneous said:

If you spent half the time looting that you spend on these forums complaining you would have the best inventory in the game.

Sorry, it's not worth it.  I won't loot for 100 minutes just so I can PVP for 10 minutes.  And if you get killed 90 minutes in to that loot run...........you get zero loot from that low pop run.  The ONLY places to get "some" loot on low pop is Military Base and Airfield now, so that's where ALL the low pop players go.  So your chance to get killed while looting low pop increased exponentially since the low pop loot nerf.

I hope they don't plan on generating a lot of development revenue from private servers with 25% of the normal loot.  They won't even get a fraction of the private server sales that WarZ had.

So when you ask for new features, and they're not getting added because they can't afford more programmers, you'll know why.

This game already has one of the lowest population launches of any survival game I've purchased in several years.  That's going to keep going down if they can't generate revenue, add more features, and increase the player base.

There's no reason they CAN'T do normal loot in low pop servers other than YOU personally don't like it.