PVP Reputation System - Give your opinion & thoughts

[Joshua 498]

Hi all,

 

As you may know already - the implementation of a PVP reputation system is planned. While I have some ideas of how I want to implement it, I want get the community's thoughts on how it should be implemented.

 

Please give me your thoughts & opinions on how you think it should be implemented below

 

Cheers!

[Havi 34]

Hello,

Here's my feedback regarding the Reputation System.

I think you should be able to go positive or negative. In able to get people more interested in the Reputation System, we could actually add something like a cosmetic set for the positive or negative path. Positive should look like a kind of Police Cosmetic set and Negative should look like a rogue looking set. These two are just ideas. If this goes through, we could discuss on how exactly it should look like. 

A leaderboard regarding Reputation would be nice but I know this requires quite some work. So people have some kind of competition and something to work forward to. I think many people would love to see this.

[Banana 2]

Hi,

as a competative player, i've experienced a ton of different kinds of ranking systems, but as I explained in the discord, I feel like the idea i had was a pretty good base.

Having brackets like, 0-500 rating (gain 3 points for higher brackets/lose 1 point to people same bracket) 501-1000 (gain 1 for killing lower brackets/gain 2 for killing same bracket/lose 2 to same or lower) 1001-1500 (gain 3 for same bracket, 1 for lower brackets/ lose 3 for lower brackets, lose 3 to same or lower)

 

 

 

Cosmetic unlocks or some sort of reward every 250 rating you gain, with better rewards for every bracket you unlock

[Banana 2]

20 minutes ago, derTisch said:

its a very good idea but i dont like that one of reputation system.. there people who cant play all day or they are not good at the game and they should not stuck in the lower brackets .. i like more the idea of some ranks like thug outlow bandit and good ranks like constable deputy Lawmen. so that even if u bad u can get the high ranks while playing a long time. thats just my idea and your idea is great aswell  

I feel you on that, but it time spent won't matter, if you deserve to be in the higher ranks, it will be due to having higher kill count than death count in the end, and even if you only play 2 hours a day, you will slowly increase.

The reputation system caters to casuals, and a leaderboard/ranking system is supposed to be competative, not for casuals, so I guess what I'm trying to say is that i personally prefer the more hardcore style myself, even if I can't play 8 hours a day, i would still prefer the leaderboard with K/D/A.

[1SHOTYOUDROP 5]

what ever you do, make the competitive system skill based and not play time based.

[Solono 18]

I absolutely love this ideal, as I see some good suggestions already. (My personal thoughts) kind like old school DAYZ, where if you where a thug or a civilian, or just a good guy you would get some kind of clothing showing so, and the higher rep you get you could change it somewhere within the clothing for the + side rep, and the - Side rep would have it's own set of clothes. That being said, each set will have many variations, or customizable color variation. Like, Let's say me and a buddy both had -2500 Rep and we have the SAME outfit from being this rep. My favorite color would be blue and black and I could make the set look like that, and his maybe Red and Green, idk. 

Dayz / Warz have there own things, and if you where to go into the direction either went, should 100% throw your own spin to make it some crazy Xera Content that people would strive for. 

Should be a Super RARE Skin set, or Clothing set for people who have been RANK 1 for quite a bit but that's a different suggestion for the future, and hopefully some of my ideals have been helpful or opened some gateways to better ideals! I wanna be able to help the community and game with the best of my ability! <3

[Nide 8]

think it's a great idea. I'm not really sure how exactly reputation system are based but I haave an idea if it would work. You have both + and - reputation. The ways to get + rep would be by either killing - rep people or if someone shoots at you first and you then kill them you get + rep instead of - rep. Gain - rep like usual, just by killing everyone you see with + rep

[K0D3R 7]

Specifically for a PVP reputation system, my personal opinion is it should be as simple as:

(Kills / Deaths) * TimeSpentOnline

I say "TimeSpentOnline" only because the longer you are online should be reflected in your "skill" for PVP. If you have been online 200 hours and have 1 <= K/D you should be rewarded more than someone who has spent 200 hours online but has a 1 >= K/D. Time should play a factor because someone who has only spent 20 hours on the game has not had as many chances to kill or die, which would affect their K/D ratio. A player should be rewarded for having a 1+ kill death ratio and has spent 200 hours online vs someone with the same K/D who has only spent 20 hours online. As an example, some math:

 

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Hours in game: 200

Kill / Death ratio:  3.1415

PVP Score: 628.3

 

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Hours in game: 200

Kill / Death ratio:  0.31415

PVP Score: 62.83

 

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Hours in game: 20

Kill / Death ratio: 3.1415

PVP Score: 62.83

 

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Hours in game: 20

Kill / Death ratio: 0.31415

PVP Score: 6.283

 

 

Over time this system could be abused slightly, so adding something to track the time of their last kill and if it's over MaxTimeAllowed then start slowly degrading their PVP score (an "idle" modifier per se to the algorithm used to calculate PVP score, but would add tracking another variable per character on the server DB as well). 

 

If you are looking for a "morals" system, that's another story ( what the others are describing is mostly a "morals" system to me but may just be my interpretation of your question )

Edited August 8, 2017 by K0D3R

[Bagdad 11]

Could be fun, i would suggest to pick one of the  proven "popular" ranking systems

[Vexille 4]

I think you should be able to go positive or negative and maybe add in some cosmetics based on the rep. Having positive rep killing other positive rep should have a penalty and gain rep while killing a negative rep player.

[Coolwhip 3]

On 8/7/2017 at 7:47 PM, derTisch said:

its a very good idea but i dont like that one of reputation system.. there people who cant play all day or they are not good at the game and they should not stuck in the lower brackets .. i like more the idea of some ranks like thug outlow bandit and good ranks like constable deputy Lawmen. so that even if u bad u can get the high ranks while playing a long time. thats just my idea and your idea is great aswell  

I dont like that I loved the Rep system in Shattered Skies where if you are a high rep player and die to a low rank player you lose alot more and if you kill a low player you are rewarded less i like that 

[Soulstorm667 6]

 

What a nice thing would be if you can revive your fellow players and you get positive rep.

[Dobeldash 2]

Here are my ideas (since i don't have the game, I don't know if a rank system is already implimented or not)
 

For the reputation: we begin civilian with a score of 0 and our score increases positively or negatively

1. Positively: kill bad players and you are rewarded with a positive score, if a good player shoots you first you wont lose reputation if you kill him.
2. Negatively: you kill every one who face you, good or bad player you do not make distinction and fire at sight. Your score will increase faster if the player is experimented (big score of reputation)

ps: they will be also different name depending of your score.

Reputation visibility: an armband which changes according to your reputation (flashy color, good visibility)

1. - we begin all with beginner's/civilian's armband 
2. - the armband of the good persons will look like policeman armband and will evolve depending on your rank.  (see the photo example)
3. - the bandits will lose their armband Possibility of tearing away the armband when you are a civilian, what returns you directly wrong way 

If you are a bad player who wishes to become a good one, you will need you get a rather rare special armband and (craft it or idk), once obtained, kill a number of bandits depending on your rank. 

Reward:

1. The good players will have rewards: loot ( for example:If you kill like 10 bandits in a week you won somthing) or information on cities the most visited by the biggest bandits to allow them to fight best against them.
2. The bad players? The advantage to shoot everyone and take all loot.

 

Maybe in safezone (if there is any) we could see the names and pictures of the biggest bandits with "Wanted" written

 

sorry for my bad english hope everyone can understand me

Edited March 13, 2018 by Dobeldash

[Ras1018 3]

So the way I would do this is by having 2 separate systems. One would be the Reputation System and the other one would be the Ranking System (for competitive people). The two systems have different rankings, different ways to win/lose ranking and different effects.

The Reputation System

The Reputation System is aimed at players who enjoy the survival aspect and are less competitive. This is what would define if a person is either a hero (Good) or a bandit (Bad). Everyone would start at 0 Reputation, either gaining or losing reputation as they go. The more Reputation a player gains, he is considered more of a hero and the more Reputation a player loses, he is considered more of a bandit. You CAN go negative in the Reputation system.

• You gain Reputation points by healing people, killing people who have a lower reputation than you do and killing Humanoids. (very small amount of points by killing Humanoids)
• You lose Reputation points by killing people, you lose more by killing people who have a higher reputation than you do.

Every "X" amount of points you go in any direction you get a visual indicator to what you're becoming. For example a bandit that has 250 points has bloody hands but a bandit with 750 points has a bloody face, clothing and hands.

There are exeptions:

1. If a player shoots at you first and you kill them defending yourself, you will gain points and not be punished for killing the player.

The Ranking System

The Ranking System is completely based on PvP and has nothing to do with the Reputation System. The Ranking System is aimed at more competitive players, you would gain points by PvP'ing. You get more points by killing someone whos a lot higher than you in the Ranking System and you lose more points if you get killed by someone lower in the Reputation System.

 

[Coco 7]

i dont think i should know if someone is a good guy or bad guy i think it would add to the suspense and/or intensity of the game if i dont know if i should or shouldnt trust someone. i think its more of a psychological thrill if you do not add any kind of good or bad stuff in this game we dont have to copy warz ffs. just my opinion. if i walk up on a guy telling me hes friendly i wanna decide for my own not have a general idea if you want a "leaderboard" then just put like longest survived or most ai killed or something like that but getting a general idea on whos good or bad is dumb.

[Ryan 4]

 positive or negative stuff is so washed up and over used in games.  Most people are just going to kill each other regardless. You try to go positive, don't shoot another positive, he shoot's you, and you lose your gear. 

I never paid attention to it, and go negative without trying.

2 man group "hey there's a positive over there, you got to kill him, I can't"

but to each their own, everyone has their own taste. Maybe positive or negative but also have ranks for kills.

Would be nice to see something new and refreshing, maybe something that hasn't been done before. So keep posting feedback and idea's!

[afghan 2]

I think a system with six-month seasons is a good idea

The system should go one way only ... the old ISS system was bad because you stopped killing people because they made you lose points

a MMR system similar to Dota2 maybe ... you killed get X points ... you died and you lost X points ... and the more points you have ... the less you will gain by killing someone.
As your score is high, you will receive a "patent" for this between one value and another of MMR

[Gooba 2]

I like the current way the skill system works and how you gain and lose points. 

I think that if you have a higher or lower skill rating,  you should have different coloured armour/clothes. when you get over a certain rating you colours change and it's a way to identify people. 

I would like to see some rewards for people that have a high skill rating etc, not sure what the developer has in mind regarding this but would be nice to see. 

[FamouZ PT 0]

[Etsu 1]

I was never really a fan of the + and - value’s for rating.

i do think if you press P its nice to see a rank like Outlaw if you reach a certain rating.

i think keeping it simple is good i think if you die u should lose points if you kill u should gain points

if you get killed by a high rank and your low rank u should not lose much

If your high rank and you die to a low rank u should lose more.

Make it scale like that a you’d have a great basis for rating i’d say

 

rewards only cosmetics

 

a revive would be nice only out of combat after a certain time period 

Or maybe like FN the buss where u can revive team mates so every location has a revive point this is possible in combat that be a cool strategy point i think. With cooldown on party and limits ofc

Edited May 27, 2019 by Etsu

[Khalida 0]

15 hours ago, FamouZ PT said:

Something like this would be wicked to add, I dont mind it shows points but a badge next to your name just adds more to wanting to hit that reward imo.

[FamouZ PT 0]

2 hours ago, Khalida said:

Something like this would be wicked to add, I dont mind it shows points but a badge next to your name just adds more to wanting to hit that reward imo.

well, not at all man, if you see a Bandit and you are Thug/outlaw or something like that you wont have any interest in kill that guy if you want to be bad guy

it depends of the point of view

[AirborneLawnDart 12]

 

I've seen a lot of games try to do a Reputation System.  They all FAILED miserably because of the following reasons:

WarZ had a hero / bandit system.  We murdered EVERYONE and saw that half of our players were Heroes and half were Bandits.  <-----FAIL

DayZ had a humanity system.  We murdered EVERYONE we saw and then cheese healed eachother until we got back to Hero status.  <------FAIL

BOTH systems failed miserably because there was no incentive NOT to shoot your own reputation players, or you could CHEESE your way out of your reputation.

 

This would solve the previous systems problems:

1.  ONLY KILLS / DAMAGE COUNTS TOWARD REPUTATION.  HEROES KILLING HEROES SHOULD LEAD TO MASSIVE REPUTATION LOSS AFTER A FEW HERO KILLS.  Accidental team kills of people you are grouped with should NOT count.  If you don't like that person anymore, don't group with them again.

2.  YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO SEE FACTION STATUS EASILY IN-GAME AT COMBAT DISTANCE.  This can be as simple as when you aim at someone their name pops up a certain color.

3.  NO OTHER WAY TO GAIN OR LOSE REPUTATION.

4.  If you want to balance it for Bandits so they can team up........have a THIRD faction that is called INSANE PEOPLE.  If you have more than 10% of your kills of your own faction, you become a new separate faction of INSANE PEOPLE.  Now Bandits that see other Bandits can somewhat safely team up.  The only way to remove INSANE PEOPLE is to get your percent of same faction kills below 10%

 

If you do it right, a GOOD Reputation System will be fun and add a lot to the game.  If you do it wrong like WarZ and DayZ did, please save that time for coding in other more relevant needed features

I truly mean that.  If you do it right, and it works, it'll be a LOT of fun.  If you don't, I'd rather see that time spent on other features like more guns, vehicles, hell anything else.  Don't waste time on a system that doesn't work.....lol

[FahirPlay 0]

O Melhor sistema de Rank é aquele que você pode Subir Matando e Cair morrendo, ou seja... a competitividade é bem maior quando existe o risco de queda! 

[jmedg 0]

Could maybe have groups (gangs) and when u make a group (gang) u can be recognised by other players not in the group If u get me. would be kinda fun for combat reasons and mean that groups can make a name for themselves